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The War On Iraq & Terrorism.
« Thread started on: Sep 18th, 2002, 3:26pm » |
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This sort of stuff really pisses me off. Australia seems to be the only country in the world dumb enough to back the USA on another strike against Iraq.
We are a peacefull country and this will only put more in the sights of terroists from the Middle East. I'm sick of our puny Government kissing Americas arse at every oportunity!
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Re: Australia supprts a US strike on Iraq.
« Reply #1 on: Nov 30th, 2002, 2:14pm » |
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Well, our Vice-President Bleaurrrgh  is doing a grand job of sucking up, too and trying to involve us in a war that we do not want. Everytime someone makes a comment, 9/11 is thrown back into the conversation. Yes, it was terrible, but I'm getting a bit tired of the record. (And before anyone jumps on my case, my husband is American). He (Blair) also hedges his bets and future (primarily his own) by trying to get us into Europe. At the moment we can't send an army anwhere. a) because a third of it has practically been disbanded and b) they are too busy fighting fires because thanks to the tight assed government our firefighters are all out on strike.
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Re: Australia supprts a US strike on Iraq.
« Reply #2 on: Dec 1st, 2002, 07:40am » |
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Even though I live in the usa I dont think they should bother other countries. I dont think we need another war. I dont think there should be anything that is going to cause more deaths
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Re: Australia supprts a US strike on Iraq.
« Reply #3 on: Jan 11th, 2003, 12:28am » |
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There's no need to drag Australia down to the rest of the worlds level when it comes to war.
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Re: Australia supprts a US strike on Iraq.
« Reply #4 on: Jan 12th, 2003, 12:53am » |
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Oooh, I'm stayin' outta this one! (for a while.......)
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Re: Australia supprts a US strike on Iraq.
« Reply #5 on: Jan 12th, 2003, 05:20am » |
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~dragging out the proverbial cushion to share with Sharwing, (and a multitude of crisps and goodies)~ *Looks like your on your on with this one, Jon.........
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Re: Australia supprts a US strike on Iraq.
« Reply #6 on: Jan 13th, 2003, 02:30am » |
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~Kaz adds liberal amounts of rum to hers because, apparently, she's a 'piglet'! *Cheers, Sharwing 
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Re: Australia supprts a US strike on Iraq.
« Reply #7 on: Jan 13th, 2003, 03:56am » |
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Nah...... I'm sitting BEHIND Sharwing.... 
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Re: Australia supprts a US strike on Iraq.
« Reply #8 on: Jan 13th, 2003, 4:44pm » |
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Did I hear somebody say Rum?  
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Re: Australia supprts a US strike on Iraq.
« Reply #10 on: Jan 15th, 2003, 12:37am » |
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Iraq will not be a war. You do not seem to understand this. This is heavily corporatized power brokers killing each other for oil and capital.
Let's be perfectly clear. You cannot have a war when the so-called enemy has done nothing to provoke you and is absolutely no threat to your national safety and has no significant military force and has negligible chance of even setting off a firecracker near your own overwhelming death machines, and whose only weapons of minimal destruction are the rusty short-range warheads and biochemical agents THE USA sold him 20 years ago, and kept selling to him, even after you knew he was gassing his own people.
You cannot have a war when there is nothing to fight against, when it's essentially going to be a huge U.S. military stomping/bombing exercise, when, just like Afghanistan, you stand to suffer zero U.S. casualties (except for those you seem to kill yourselves), and you just bomb and bomb and kill and kill and shrug.
The U.S. buildup for war with Iraq is the biggest in decades. The Iraq operation, in the words of Lt. Gen. Thomas McInerney, will be "the most massive precision air campaign in history," because, well, because you can. Because you want to annihilate everything as fast and ruthlessly as possible, simply because the longer such an operation takes and the more expensive and obviously pointless it becomes, the more everyday citizens snap out of it and begin to say, wait, why are we doing this again?
Saddam's meager military, let us be reminded, is a tiny quivering fraction of what it was 10 years ago during Desert Storm, and even then it took U.S. forces less than four days to almost completely annihilate it.
Now it's even weaker, due to ongoing sanctions and U.N. oversight and a decade of continuous U.S.-led bombing raids on Iraqi targets you never read about. Hell, this time we should have those thousands of pesky Iraqi soldiers and innocent civilians dead and slaughtered in a weekend.
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Re: Australia supprts a US strike on Iraq.
« Reply #11 on: Jan 15th, 2003, 12:38am » |
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... This is a Mack truck versus a Pinto. This is an F-16 versus a paper airplane, a Tomahawk missile versus a spit wad. There is no contest. "War" is exactly the wrong term. The U.S. attack on Iraq will be, of course, a massacre. Go team.
Now let's say you sense this all to be true. Let's say you have a queasy feeling deep in your gut as you realize no one is talking about exactly why you need to launch a second simultaneous war to go along with the unwinnable assault you're still running in Afghanistan.
Remember Afghanistan? Yes, we're still there, warring away. Bombing and attacking and killing. Haven't caught a single al Qaeda leader of note yet. That looks bad for Dubya. Killed a few thousand civilians though. 
Why go to war with Iraq? Can't find Osama, is one reason. That looks bad. Really, really want to steal all that delicious oil for ShrubCo, is another. Saddam is clearly a very bad guy who kills his own people and snickers in America's general direction, is a third. But then again, so are at least a half-dozen other vile tyrants of the world. Volatile, nuke-ready North Korea? Let's open some talks. Feeble, oil-ready Iraq? Let's massacre. Hmm.
Perhaps you wonder why no one is asking any of these questions, making similar points.
Perhaps you wonder just where in the hell is the spineless major media in all this, as they watch the chicken-hawk Shrubster himself, between golf swings, announce how tens of thousands of American troops are being sent to the Gulf alongside an enormous billion-dollar military buildup and imminent gobs of heaping death raining down upon a paltry oppressed nation and coming up next on CNN, we interview that dumb guy from "Joe Millionaire." Perfect.
Perhaps you wonder where is the national TV coverage of all those huge anti-war protests, hundreds of thousands of people, all over the world, from Spain to Berlin to New York to San Francisco.
Perhaps you wonder where are all the "serious" journalists, the risk-taking news agencies pointing up the absurdity of it all, the imminent horror, the outrage. Could it be these news agencies are owned by major conservative corporations? Could it be they're all terrified of losing ratings, of saying something unpopular, of invoking Cheney's wrath, of losing advertiser dollars and that ever-precious, ever-dwindling dumbed-down audience? One guess.
And besides, who needs a reason for a massacre anymore? This is the age of the preemptive-strike, screw-you Bush regime. Who needs, for example, the Monroe Doctrine, that crusty old rag stating how America will go to war only as a last resort, as a defensive measure, and won't become embroiled in unwinnable foreign wars that are none of your business?
Who needs every precedent ever set by international law? Who needs the U.N. Charter? Who needs confused congressional approval? Who needs ethical integrity?
Screw it all, says Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, his black eyes gleaming like the devil's own golf balls. Let us become an ever-more-hated rogue nation, attack whomever you want, whenever you want, with no international support and much international disgust. Let you squander, childishly, within months, the generous and compassionate goodwill afforded your country by your international allies in the wake of 9/11.
Let you wantonly kill innocent civilians and children and thousands of Iraqi soldiers who, let me repeat, did nothing to provoke you. Shall we? Yes let's. Why? Shhh.
Saddam is not a threat to the U.S., and never has been. He is merely yet another cowardly and murderous thug, much like the countless other despots and autocrats, from Marcos to King Fahd to Ariel Sharon, the U.S. has added to its payroll when it served your needs, and whom we then backhand when you need economic stimulus, or when the president needs a boost to his approval ratings (now at his lowest ever by the way), or when the corporate pals of the Bush WASP mafia need more billion-dollar petrochemical and defense contracts. Aha. Perhaps this is why.
The US are, in short, going to attack and massacre Iraq for the oil reserves, to protect America's corporate interests, to feed the gaping maw of the military-industrial complex. Same as it ever was.
But let me be perfectly clear: You are most definitely not cranking up the appalling war machine for your sake, or for the country's protection, or for your commendable standing among our humanitarian allies.
You are not doing it to defeat terrorism (it will have the exact opposite effect), or to make the streets safer for your children, or because they've found big scary WMDs (they haven't - not one) -- or even for Iraq's own good. And to believe you are is, quite simply, to be wholly misinformed and openly, flagrantly, deliberately deceived by your own Government.
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Re: Australia supprts a US strike on Iraq.
« Reply #12 on: Jan 15th, 2003, 6:31pm » |
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"My hatred towards American's" !? Ha ha, that's rich..
If I had any hatred in me I would direct it towards Terrorists (from whatever country...There are American terrorists, Australian Terrorists, British Terrorists, Irish Terrorists. There are terrorists from all nations).
And the remark about me denying the Twin Towers? Oh wait...You must mean this thread... http://jonollie.conforums.com/index.cgi?board=General&action=display&num=1032323553
A REMINDER: The title of this thread is "Australia supports a US strike on Iraq" It's not about Twin Towers, It's not about hatred towards americans. It's about a remote, peaceful country being dragged into a battle that no other 'civilised' country wants to get involved in.
YES! I am anti-war. YES! I am anti-killing (of innocent people). YES! I am anti-Terrorism ... So shoot me!
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Re: Australia supprts a US strike on Iraq.
« Reply #13 on: Jan 15th, 2003, 7:31pm » |
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on Jan 15th, 2003, 03:16am, poohbear wrote:| Maybe you think that we are just massacreing them but we are defending our country from a bunch of murdering bastards. |
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How many American's have the Iraqi people killed again? Did I miss something?.
If I remember correctly, (If I must go back to Desert Storm). The majority of American & Allied soldiers were killed by friendly fire!!!
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Re: Australia supprts a US strike on Iraq.
« Reply #14 on: Jan 15th, 2003, 10:55pm » |
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*Sigh* Some people just don't understand logic... 
Is it any wonder why the world is the way it is? Go ahead, kill everyone. Can the last one alive turn the lights out?
Have a nice insecure, paranoid life 
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